Frank Joseph Atlantis and other Lost Worlds
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Author:  Socrates [ Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:49 am ]
Post subject:  Frank Joseph Atlantis and other Lost Worlds

Further evidence for my Josephine Atlantis Royal City Location.

Quoted and typed by Paulo Riven from Frank Joseph; Atlantis and other lost worlds.

The Horse-Shoe Seamounts; article page 10/11.

As early as the first sonar investigation of the Atlantic Ocean in 1949, indications of a lost civilization came to light. Some 418 kilometers due west from the Straits of Gibraltar, Dr Maurice Ewing, aboard the National Geographic research vessel Glomar Challenger, found a formation on the ocean floor since referred to as the Horseshoe Seamounts, comprising a large island ringed by a range of high mountains. The Columbia University geology professor determined that its highest peak, dubbed Mt Ampere, was a volcano that collapsed beneath the sea within the past 12,000 years.

So too, the fourth century bC philosopher Plato characterized Atlantis as a large island beyond the Gibraltar and surrounded by a great ring of mountains over-whelmed by a natural catastrophe 11,500 years ago. Core samples taken from the ocean floor more than 3 kilometers deep, came up with prodigious amounts of beach sand. Physical evidence for a former shoreline that once had been subject to untold centuries of wave action at sea level. This was proof that the deep ocean landmass had at one time in the recent geological past been dry territory above sea level and for a very long time.

Moreover, the estimated dimensions of the Horseshoe Seamounts -515 kilometers from west to east by 310 kilometers from north to south -loosely compliment the dimensions Plato gives us in the Kritias for the island of Atlantis 588 kilometers from west to east by 365 kilometers from north to south. Both sets of measurements are of course approximate, leaving room for a compromised medium that suggests commonality.

(Riven note; Frank Joseph makes the error of reducing the numbers by a factor of 10 as also noted by his comment of the plain. Whereas the Horseshoe Abyssal Mountains would have been surrounding the plain and central on the eastern side of Atlantis Island being some 2000 x 1000 miles in area. Thus his numbers for the island would actually be only the plain. )

Less than ten years after Dr Ewing's first discovery of Mt Ampere, Stockholm's Riks museum launched a Swedish deep-sea expedition under the command of Dr Rene Malais, aboard the research vessel Albatross. From the ocean floor about 2 kilometers beneath the surface of the Atlantic, the scientists brought aboard fossilized remains of several thousand diatoms, small algae that flourished over the past 12,000 years. Dr Malaise's palaeo-biologist colleague R.W.Kolbe went on to catalogue more than 60 freshwater diatom species at 1 kilometer depths and deeper across the mid-Atlantic. Such an unexpected abundance of retrieved algae plants proved that they once grew in far spreading freshwater lakes on what could only have been a former stretch of dry land territory located in the vastness of today's open sea.

Kolbe's conclusion was supported by additional evidence uncovered in 1963 by an oceanographer for the Soviet Academy of Sciences. While investigating an area of the Horseshoe Seamounts from the Mikhail Lomonsov's deck, Dr Maria Klinova's robotic devices scooped up several unusual rocks from the sea floor. Laboratory testing showed that the specimens had not been formed at the 1.6-kilometer depths where they were found, but on dry land about 10,000 years ago.

Revelations such as these have convinced marine scientists that a large mountainous land mass somewhat smaller in area than Portugal (about 90,000 square kilometers) did in fact occupy the mid-Atlantic Ocean with the past 10,000 years.

(Riven note as per above note, Atlantis Island was in fact larger than Portugal and Spain)

The Mount Ampere Discoveries; page 13.

Although the base of Mt Ampere plummets more than 3,000 meters, it's plateau like summit is a mere 65 meters beneath the surface of the Ocean. It was here according to the Znanie-Sila article, that Russian Scientists found most of the man made features. These included a wall 75 centimeters wide, 1.5 meters high and slightly longer in length. Other masonry consisted of five broad steps ascending to an expansive platform connected to another monumental staircase. If, as Dr Barinova speculated, all the visually documented structures protruded through a layer of silt perhaps 30 or more meters thick, Marakuev's photographic evidence revealed only a fraction of their uppermost portions. Several return voyages to Mt Amperes under taken by the Academician Petrovsky throughout the 1980's reconfirmed and even expanded the underwater discoveries. They were greeted with cautious interest in the West, where suspicion of all things Soviet ran high until the collapse of the Soviet Union at the end of the decade. Since then, post Communist Russia has lacked the financial where-with all to renew its investigation of man made structures in the near Atlantic, while Western archaeologists are skeptical of claims by Dr Barinova and his colleagues, who are still reluctant to share everything they found at the Horseshoe Seamounts.

In his Znanie-Sila article, Barinova cited the immense mantle of silt that lies over the ruins like an obscuring cloak, concealing virtually every trace of physical evidence. It is this constant deposition, which has gradually but continuously descended over the ruins, not for centuries, but for millennia, making their detection difficult in the extreme. To locate and reveal them, modern research instruments would need to make kilometers of ocean transparent and probe through amounts of sedimentary silt sufficient to hide a building or even a city.

(Riven note; this Znanie Sila article is probably the same one reported in the New York Times in May 21,1979 with the expedition of Professor Aksyonov of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Marakuev being the same photographer. The Soviet discoveries at the Ampere Seamount, unpublicized for several years, received worldwide publicity in 1979 through an interview with Professor Andrei Aksyonov, deputy director of the Soviet Academy of Science's Institute of Oceanography. The interview took place in Moscow and was published in THE NEW YORK TIMES on May 21, 1979.

Professor Aksyonov, while guarding a seemingly neutrality on Atlantean identification of the ruins, further stated, "I believe that the objects in the pictures once stood on the surface."

In a later AP release from Moscow in April 1979, Alexander Nesterenko, director of the Fleet Department of the Institute of Oceanography, confirmed the report, that a research ship had taken photographs of "what might be ruins", but denied reports that another Soviet research ship, the VITYAZ, was investigating the same site, stating that the VITYAZ was "engaged in other business."

From the Times Magazine Archive website;
Soviet Scientist Says Ocean Site May Be Atlantis; An Offer of Directions 'Typical Wall From Antiquity' Cites Lisbon Earthquake
By CRAIG R. WHITNEY Special to The New York Times.
May 21, 1979, Monday
Page A14, 793 words

MOSCOW, May 20 -- Plato, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and all you science fiction writers, who have puzzled over the riddle of the lost continent of Atlantis, move over for Prof. Andrei Arkadyevich Aksyonov. ... yonov&st=p

It's a pay per view article. ($3.95 American)

Page 30: Prominent Metaphysician A.N.Whitehead; “The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato. It is impossible to imagine a more credible source for Atlantis as fact”.

Page 30 “Plato did not invent Atlantis as a utopian fantasy. Rather, close scrutiny of his account reveals that he cited Atlantis as an historical example to illustrate cycles in the rise and fall of civilizations.”

Page 31 “The information presented by the Timaeus is entirely credible, with many details verified and supported by geology and the traditions of dozens of disparate cultures in the circum-Atlantic region.”

The highly intelligent Jesuit Priest Athanasius Kircher (1602-1680) and master of all sciences and the founding father of scientific Egyptology, stated;

“ I confess for a long time I had regarded all this as pure fables to the day when, better instructed in Oriental languages, I judged that all these legends must be after all, only the development of a great truth.”

Athanasius also had access to the Vatican Archives where it was that he found the proof that Atlantis was a fact. He found a leather bound map of Atlantis that was brought to Italy from Egypt in the first century aD. Prior to Athanasius, Plato’s story of Atlantis was condemned as pagan fiction until reconsidered by Athanasius. He published it in his Mundus Subterraneus in 1665.aD. Most likely the map of Atlantis Island having come from the Library of Alexandria prior to 392.aD. (Riven note; this map is almost identical to my map that I drew in 2003 before discovering Athanasius Kircher)

Swedish Medical Pioneer, archaeologist and botanist, Olaus Rudbeck who was fluent in Greek, Latin and Hebrew, concluded after a long research ca.1651-1698 that Atlantis was a fact and not fiction.
Later it was discovered that Scandinavia’s Bronze Age settlement dated around 2200.bC as Olaus claimed the Atlanteans settled there around 2400.bC.

Chapter 7 Frank Joseph also agrees that Egypt was an Atlantean settlement as I do and have proven.

Page 165
“ The million dollar plus that Robert Sarmast spent on his two expeditions around Cyprus might have been better put to use at the Horseshoe Seamounts.”

“Soviet Scientists aboard the Academician Petrovsky may have found archaeological traces of Atlantis in March 1974 that match Plato’s description. Unlike any other site on earth, the HorseShoe Seamounts fit the basic criteria for Atlantis set out in Plato’s two dialogues.”

The bones of numerous elephants have been dredged up from the area, beach sand and algae have also been retrieved, proving that this region of the ocean was dry land in the recent geological past.
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Paulo Riven
Tribes of Atlantis.
Wednesday, August 04, 2010

Author:  Socrates [ Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Frank Joseph Atlantis and other Lost Worlds

Books by Frank Joseph.

The Lost Pyramids of Rock Lake 1992
Atlantis in Wisconsin 1995
The Destruction of Atlantis 2002
Survivors of Atlantis 2004
The Atlantis Encyclopedia 2005
The Lost Civilization of Lemuria 2006
Opening the Ark of the Covenant 2007
Atlantis and other lost worlds 2010

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